Chatlogs from Ahern infohub conflict
by Senban Babii
Drunk and disorderly? Kalel Venkman and GreenLantern Excelsior particle spamming a club in New Grayson Station on January 1, 2010
While the Justice League Unlimited's formerly secret wiki claims that on January 5th 2010 a "Woodbury University raiding party" descended on the Ahern infohub and engaged in "taunting and harassing residents", the truth may not be so clear cut - if a chatlog of the event obtained by the Herald can be believed. While the JLU's incident report paints a picture of superheros fighting griefer harassment, the situation seems to have been escalated by JLU member Maverick Grunfeld with threats, intimidation and boasts.
Our story begins when Woodbury University members Information Core and Robble Rubble ran across Mr. Grunfeld in his famous Batman avatar (which bear a remarkable resemblance to those of the Batman character found in the Arkham Asylum computer game) at the Ahern infohub. Grunfeld was accompanied by Haruhi Thespian, later to be revealed as a mole.The JLU wiki states that Ugly Blokke, Whats Gruppman, Bebbs Frakture, Tizzy Teardrop and Information Core were behind the taunts and harassing behaviour that Maverick Grunfeld felt constituted a "raid", yet the Herald has come into possession of evidence which tells a very different version of events -- evidence that forces us to ask whether Maverick Grunfeld is worthy of wearing the cowl of the Caped Crusader he purports to emulate.
While most players agree the members of Woodbury University are meta-gaming trolls lovable scamps who have been compared to Karl Marx the Marx Brothers, claims of "taunting and harassment of residents" are called into question by chatlogs which tell a story at odds with the JLU's account. (readers should note that the background chatter of the infohub has been removed for clarity).
[16:26] lnformation Core: Hey batman
[16:26] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: Yo dude!
[16:26] Maverick Grunfeld: Evening.
[16:26] lnformation Core: I love the av
[16:26] Maverick Grunfeld: Thanks.
[16:26] lnformation Core: Where did you buy it?
[16:26] Robble Rubble: hey toast
[16:26] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: Looking good!
[16:26] lnformation Core: Because i would like to buy that too
[16:27] Maverick Grunfeld: Hm, I don't remember where I got it actually.
[16:27] lnformation Core: and then hunt sculpted animals wearing the batman av... Would be totaly chill
Already we can see that Information Core was paying Mr Grunfeld a compliment and asking perfectly normal questions and even Hydrogen2 Oxygen, a fellow WU member joined in complimenting Mr. Grunfeld's Batman avatar, of which he is known to be proud - yet he claims to not know where he obtained it?
Information Core went on to discuss arranging a simulated hunting trip with Mr Grunfeld, suggesting they both wear similar Batman costumes in a show of superhero solidarity. Mr Core even went so far as to offer to be Mr Grunfeld's friend so that they could arrange such ventures. Mr Grunfeld however was dismissive of the idea.
[16:29] Apollyon Sciavo: SoundID = be582e5d-b123-41a2-a150-
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[16:29] lnformation Core: Man your so pro at this game
[16:29] Apollyon Sciavo: i saw mr linden whus making a sound
Readers should note that the logs show that there was some kind of griefing incident in progress at the time with several residents shouting at this person in open chat - yet no mention is made of this in the JLU wiki. Perhaps because this person wasn't a member of the "Woodbury University raiding party" their transgressions were overlooked?
[16:29] lnformation Core: Wanna be friends 8D ?
[16:29] Apollyon Sciavo: ...
[16:29] Apollyon Sciavo: o.0'
[16:30] Maverick Grunfeld: Not especially.
[16:30] lnformation Core: :C
[16:30] Apollyon Sciavo: .
[16:30] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: :<
[16:30] lnformation Core: Aww come on
[16:30] lnformation Core: Dont be rude
[16:30] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: Don't be mean to info
[16:30] Maverick Grunfeld: I'm not a social type. Just how I am man.
[16:30] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: Yeah info.
[16:30] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: He's batman remember?
[16:30] lnformation Core: Ohh right
[16:31] Apollyon Sciavo is Offline
[16:31] Apollyon Sciavo is Online
[16:31] lnformation Core: Soo batman what ya doing here? I dont see any sculpted animals around
[16:32] Maverick Grunfeld: The animals weren't what I was hunting.
Just what was it that Mr Grunfeld was hunting?
[16:32] lnformation Core: Ohh
[16:32] lnformation Core: But like if you would be my friend I could tp you to other partys and stuff
[16:32] lnformation Core: wouldent that be nice?
[16:33] Maverick Grunfeld: I don't really party either.
[16:33] lnformation Core: But the sculpted animal hunting was a great party and you joined too!
[16:33] Ugly Blokke: wow well this blows
[16:33] lnformation Core: So whats the problem?
[16:34] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: He's a party crasher.
[16:34] lnformation Core: Aww
[16:34] Maverick Grunfeld: I am the nightlife after all.
[16:34] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: Hey tizzy
[16:34] Tizzy Teardrop: hai!
[16:34] lnformation Core: Well there are alot of night partys that we plan
[16:34] lnformation Core: Its sad that you cant join :C
[16:35] lnformation Core: Couldent you like be a superman for a day and just join us for something?
[16:35] Maverick Grunfeld: I join you guys a lot anyway. I've already been to two of your parties.
Now Mr Grunfeld appears to be boasting of his previous exploits? Unperturbed, Mr Core returned to asking about the Batman outfit he had obviously taken something of a shine to.
[16:36] lnformation Core: How much did the av cost? I mean if its cheap i could be a partycrashing batman too
[16:36] Venom Silverfall is Offline
[16:36] Maverick Grunfeld: I forget how much I got for it. You look pretty impressive though as is.
[16:37] lnformation Core: Thanks!
At least now, Mr Grunfeld is being more sociable, returning the compliment about Mr Core's instantly recognizable avatar. At this point, the conversation turned to Mr Grunfeld's partner, one Haruhi Thespian.
[16:37] lnformation Core: Hey supergirl
[16:37] CmdrBlackCatz Xue is Online
[16:38] lnformation Core: Do you like partys?
[16:38] lnformation Core: Maybe hunt some sculpted animals with us?
[16:38] lnformation Core: :C
[16:38] Maverick Grunfeld: Some of you may have a hard time visiting there again.
[16:39] Apollyon Sciavo: why dont u just mute him?
The readers should note that this point was in relation to the person actually griefing the infohub during this entire conversation. Apollyon, an alleged griefer, was in fact helping residents to counter the activities of a griefer. And yet Maverick Grunfeld offered no help to the residents in the slightest, preferring to focus on a group of people simply talking.
[16:39] Robble Rubble: hey broheim
[16:39] lnformation Core: Your just like batman! Such a meaner
[16:39] Apollyon Sciavo: than he doesnt spam u anymore...
[16:39] Robble Rubble: pretty hard
[16:39] Robble Rubble: mwah mwah
[16:39] Maverick Grunfeld: Sorry, I live in a cave afterall.
[16:39] Maverick Grunfeld: You can't have high expectations.
Already Mr Grunfeld is returning to boasts of previous encounters with these people who, so far, have simply asked polite questions.
[16:40] Robble Rubble: hey tizz
[16:40] Robble Rubble: Hi5!
[16:41] Robble Rubble: hey batman
[16:41] Maverick Grunfeld: Evening.
[16:41] Robble Rubble: howyoudoin?
[16:41] Maverick Grunfeld: Not bad, yourself?
[16:41] Navi Gearz is Online
[16:41] lnformation Core: Robble this batman is rude :C
[16:41] Robble Rubble: I'm pretty good
[16:41] Robble Rubble: oh man how is batman rude?
[16:42] lnformation Core: I LOVED THE OLD BATMAN BETTER
[16:42] Maverick Grunfeld: I'm allegeric to hugs.
[16:42] Parchment Chatterbox is Offline
The reader is no doubt puzzled about this alleged co-ordinated raid by Woodbury University, given the fact that there is no evidence of engaging in "taunting and harassment of residents". In fact, most of the WU members are hardly acknowledging either the JLU members or the other residents nearby. In fact, the closest so far to confrontational behaviour would be Information Core's attempt to inspire discussion regarding which Batman was best, in a variation of the old Kirk vs Picard debate. It was at this point that Robble Rubble began to help maintain the cover of the spy he had helped plant within the JLU ranks.
[16:43] Robble Rubble: Hey Haruhi are you a new jlu member or something?
[16:43] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: I'm guessing that's what a recruit is
[16:44] Robble Rubble: yeah I guess
[16:44] lnformation Core: Why would anyone join the supermans with such a mean batman in theyr group?
[16:44] Robble Rubble: welp even if she dosen't respond I'm gonna give her a gift
[16:45] lnformation Core: this lag is so bad
[16:45] Robble Rubble: batman do you feel left out do you want something too?
[16:46] Maverick Grunfeld: Depends what you have in mind.
[16:46] Parchment Chatterbox is Online
[16:46] Maverick Grunfeld: Can I add these to my trophy case?
[16:46] Robble Rubble: that's creepy
[16:46] lnformation Core: ya dude
[16:47] Robble Rubble: your a creeper adding people's things to a trophy case
[16:47] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: Indeed
[16:47] lnformation Core: like what man would keep another dudes underoos?
[16:47] Robble Rubble: esp my underpants!
[16:47] Robble Rubble: creeper batman
It was at this time that the conversation turned sour. The reader can see for themselves the cause.
[16:47] Maverick Grunfeld: Hey, you must not want them. I'd rather have your hide tacted to them, but I'll take what I can get.
[16:47] Haruhi Thespian: hehe
[16:48] Robble Rubble: is that threat batman?
[16:48] Robble Rubble: batman are you threatening me?
[16:48] Maverick Grunfeld: Nope, just admiring your skin.
[16:48] Robble Rubble: trying to intimidate me?
[16:49] Maverick Grunfeld: I'm sad if that's all it took. I thought you were tougher than that. I'm sorry.
The reader will note that despite implied threats and boasts, the alleged villains in this drama had so far done nothing wrong.
[16:49] lnformation Core: Batman is supergirl there your girlfriend?
[16:49] Robble Rubble: batman your little sidekick is a cutie
[16:49] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: She's pretty hot
[16:49] Robble Rubble: mwah mwah
[16:49] Maverick Grunfeld: Nope. Glad you like her.
[16:49] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: I must say
[16:49] Haruhi Thespian: >.<
[16:49] Maverick Grunfeld: I guess Tizzy needs to get better eye candy in Wu.
[16:49] Robble Rubble: hey babbi how you doin gurrrrl?
[16:50] Haruhi Thespian: I'm good, its laggy here though
[16:50] Maverick Grunfeld: I guess she doesn't like your underoos.
[16:50] lnformation Core: batman can we maybe keep your little supergirl?
[16:50] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: Gotta love welcome areas
[16:50] Haruhi Thespian: I'm Shadowcat
[16:50] lnformation Core: shush
[16:50] Apollyon Sciavo: wow a batman
[16:50] lnformation Core: talking with batman here
[16:50] Robble Rubble: it's ok maybe I can slip into her's instead ;)
[16:50] Apollyon Sciavo: can we squash it?
[16:52] Robble Rubble: welp I got stuf to do
[16:52] Robble Rubble: later!
[16:52] Tizzy Teardrop: These JLU people are boring, they just stand there and look stupid.
[16:52] Maverick Grunfeld: Take care.
[16:52] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: Same here kinda boring
[16:52] Robble Rubble: you too
The reader will note that Tizzy Teardrop, whom Mr Grunfeld felt worthy of a written report in the wiki (already renowned for its unhealthy level of detail regarding this person) has barely said a word to anyone so far in this entire encounter.
[16:52] Apollyon Sciavo: stupid? is kinda soft said...
[16:52] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: But I have to say
[16:52] Robble Rubble: have a good one batman
[16:53] Haruhi Thespian: I loove beautiful tiz, tyvm
[16:53] Apollyon Sciavo: they got noy! friends so they report everyone
[16:53] Robble Rubble: have fun playing superhero
[16:53] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: I enjoyed my time in in Justice Island. :)
[16:53] Robble Rubble: whatevs
[16:53] lnformation Core: I dont like you as much as the last batman... He was prety cool but still please accept my frund request!
[16:53] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: But, you should have WU rebuild it sometime.
[16:53] Tizzy Teardrop: What are you talking about that doesn't even make sense Haruhi.
[16:53] Hydrogen2 Oxygen: No offense, but are builders are a bit more skilled...
So there you have it readers. The infamous "Woodbury University raiding party" at Ahern infohub. A co-ordinated raid? Or a co-ordinated attempt to blacken the names of fellow residents, several of whom never even spoke during the event? And observant readers will already be comparing the names in these above chat log excerpts to the listings in the JLU wiki and questioning whether the JLU's reporting procedures can be trusted for veracity.
At a time when members of the general public are making comments like "and he seemed like a sort of idiot to me, showing up in his hero outfit, but with no power to do anything" and "they sounded like a bunch of ridiculous tools" when questioned about the actions of the JLU they had witnessed recently. However, it may surprise the reader to learn that one member of Woodbury University actually has some regard for JLU member GreenLantern Excelsior who is considered "not that bad of a guy".
Now the reader will no doubt be realizing that the JLU wiki files are filled with inaccuracies and perhaps deliberate mischief but things get even worse. For the Herald has come into possession of a photo showing JLU members Kalel Venkman and GreenLantern Excelsior particle spamming at a club in New Grayson Station on 1st January 2010. Are JLU members above the rules they attempt to enforce on others?
@Gen. Populace:
"If it looks like one, acts like one, and talks like one..."
I'd like to not think you're a complete fool, but if you are insistent upon this simplistic point of view, you might want to find somewhere else on the internet to hang out. Kiddoh's got the right idea. Judging an avatar that could change radically in a few seconds only by the appearance is a poor way to approach things.
"Yeah, I know that, you know that, but here comes the point I been trying to make clear: Not everybody knows that, and that's not really how it works in the real world."
And if you continue to believe this, nothing will improve. Do you like being stuck in the same ruts over and over?
So if you act like a sheep and talk like a sheep, do you also bahhh like a sheep?
Back on the topic of this article, this just makes me glad I largely stopped getting involved with either "side" of this "conflict". Better to sit back and watch you guys take shots at one another. Much funnier this way.
I would say it might be interesting to get video of some of these events too! If only for additional evidence value in whichever direction.
Posted by: Seijin Roo | March 07, 2010 at 07:55 PM
"Oioi~ society at large? And yes, your logic is STILL flawed. You're telling everyone to follow in the path of the stupid. No sound person would ever follow in such foot-steps."
Let me make my point simpler and more clear.
SHIT HAPPENS.
that's all I'm really saying.
You can continue on and on on how it really shouldnt happen, but it does.
It shouldnt. But it does.
Posted by: Gen. Populace | March 08, 2010 at 06:43 AM
This is a goofball article. Nobody actually believes anything in it, and all the commenters are The Usual Suspects, caught over and over again griefing, and this is just the same Usual Suspects whining and crying at - *GASP* - BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
They're probably just pissed off that they lost their precious SLChan, and that their idea of resurrecting Woodbury is officially toasted for good. They're looking for scapegoats, and the JLU is handy.
Posted by: Neo Citizen | March 08, 2010 at 09:38 AM